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Saturday, February 16, 2008
posted by Nealie Ride | 12:53 PM | permalink


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The Soros-McCain connection runs deep, very deep.

Michelle Malkin sez -> http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/25/meet-the-open-borders-family-mccain-hernandez-soros-and-the-reform-institute/

WND -> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56177



Lord knows I love Ann and I know exactly how she feels about Mccain being the nom.The problem is herand talk radio started about a month too late lambasting Mccain and to a lesser extent, the Huckster. Most of the right wing pundits were taking a hands off approach as far as promoting any particular candidate. I kept tuning into Rush every day hoping he would start exposing these guys.It really didn't happen until around Florida and by then it was too late.I think what finally did it for Rush was McCain's attack on Mitt about timetables. The MSM likes to think that every republican sits in front of a radio everyday and gets their marching orders there but thats' just not the case. Isn't it funny that the last two men standing were the MSM's favorite republicans.



Looks like Mitt is still beating Huckabee for second in the Washington primary tonight.



While she may be a little out there at times I must say Ann Coulter is pretty freakin AWESOME! If she just would have jumped on bored with Mitt sooner, along with the rest of the republican pundits I think this election would have been much different and we wouldn't be stuck in this current situation of having to choose the lesser of to evils for our president.



Rite in Mitt... There is still time.




Friday, February 15, 2008
posted by Kyle Hampton | 7:09 PM | permalink
From the Hotline's Blogometer:

Conservative bloggers were pleased that Mitt Romney endorsed his former rival McCain:

Power Line's Paul Mirengoff: "Romney casts himself in a good light with this move, proving that his personal feelings will not stand in the way of making the decision that's in both his and the nation's interest."

Townhall's Hugh Hewitt: "If you believe Senators Obama and Clinton, they fundamentally fail to understand the consequences of withdrawal in Iraq or the contours of the menace in Iran. Neither appears to grasp the jihadist threat. Senator McCain does. Because Mitt Romney cares deeply about the safety and security of the country, he was certain to endorse Senator McCain. That he did so quickly is a testament to the starkness of the choice facing America, McCain's complete commitment to victory, and Romney's understanding of the stakes."

Commentary's Jennifer Rubin: "On one level, Romney is making good on his pledge to unite the GOP and prevent the Democrats from taking the White House in perilous times. However, he is also amplifying the contrast between himself (high-minded GOP loyalist) with the man who may be his competition in 2012 or 2016, Mike Huckabee. Huckabee seems bent on pursuing his quixotic campaign, perhaps to build a political base or perhaps to enhance his speaking fees."

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Even with all the endorsements McCain's been racking up,he's still a candidate that doesn't present a vision for the country. His main selling point is he's better than a Dem.He really needs Hillary to be the Dem candidate to drive the negative turnout and surpress the bitter Obama losers.The fear and loathing of Clinton is what got him the nom to begin with.

At this point,what I'm looking for is Mitt on the trail campaigning for Mccain and what kind of crowds and enthusiam there is for him to make the case for VP. You have to wonder how Mitt would modify his stump speech to accomodate McCain's positions he disagrees with.



McCain's ego is too Napoleonic and his brain too much like Pres. Buchanan's to have someone intelligent and good for America on the ticket. The evangelical CEOs couldn't handle a Mormon looking presidential either. I remember the new interest in Catholicism when Kennedy was Pres. That could be quite a threat to the Evangel CEOs pocketbook since Mormon preachers and their church leadership don't get paid."Heaven forbid" some of their flock may find greener pastures.
For the first time since '72, I'm not voting Republican because I think that my vote is better spent in sending the party heads a message. I hope to be back in 2012.



If Mitt can suck up his pride to endorse a bitter rival for the good of the party and the country, well, then, I guess I can to.



Maybe Hillary is not so analog after all?



I'm finding it so difficult to get behind McCain. I was so enthused about Romney and his potential presidency because I felt he genuninely could fix complex problems. I don't want Obama or Clinton to take the White House, so I'll support McCain, but there's no enthusiasm or excitement. I think there are a lot of us like me out there. How are we supposed to get energized?

Ernie




posted by Kyle Hampton | 12:41 PM | permalink
Kathryn Jean Lopez talks a little bit about her man (politically speaking), and the culture of political cynicism that was ever suspicious of him:

What a breath of fresh air the Romneys on the public stage have been. Way too often in pop culture, men are portrayed as dopes; think about just about any sitcom. The dad/husband is portrayed as a doofus. What’s wrong with having somebody in public life who’s like Mitt Romney — a capable, experienced executive who loves his country and also happens to be a God-fearing father and husband? That’s not a bad thing for Americans to see. Forgive him for being easy on the eyes.

And I’ll go one step further. I worry about a political culture that is a little too suspicious of a scandal-less, all-American-gee-whiz-this-is-the-American-dream-in-overdrive package. We should be glad that good people — who, while well-off, are not without their share of painful crosses — are willing to subject themselves to the ugliness that politics can inflict. We should be grateful that good families will make the sacrifices necessary to serve — and make those sacrifices with no guarantees they’ll succeed.

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posted by Justin Hart | 11:29 AM | permalink
Rebecca Hagelin has an important column out today revisiting the issue of faith and in particular our man Mitt.

Hagelin refers to the excellent documentary by Brian Hall called Article VI which examines the nexus of politics and religion in great detail:
Part of what makes “Article VI” such a compelling film is that Hall and Donaldson give us historical context. They remind us, for example, that there’s a shameful tradition of anti-Catholicism in the U.S. When Al Smith ran for president against Herbert Hoover in 1928, he was pilloried for his Catholic faith. It was denounced as anti-democratic, monarchical -- not in tune with American institutions. And there’s also an appalling tradition of prejudice against those of the Jewish faith who seek high office. Remember the horrible questions the press asked of Sen. Joseph Lieberman when he ran for president? Some things never change. For many in the media, it seems, Mormonism is the new anti-semitism.
I attended a private viewing of the documentary a few weeks ago and found the subject both compelling and unnerving. Hagelin continues:
Whether it’s Mitt Romney speaking boldly of his Mormon faith, Mike Huckabee as an ordained Baptist minister, or Barack Obama taking the pulpit in churches across the country, the personal practice of deep faith by our would-be leaders must be passionately protected. As Kennedy told the Houston ministers: “Today, I may be the victim. But tomorrow, it may be you.”
In my own opinion Mormonism did indeed play a role in Mitt Romney's defeat which is sad and unfortunate. I hope, like Kennedy's faith that we can overcome these prejudices.

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Religion did play a role. But keep in mind that in more populated areas Mitt did win, even among evangelical Christians, who really do have big problems doctrinally with Mormons. But in the political sphere, for informed evangelicals, religion was set aside in this more secular matter and Mitt was embraced.

In the quad cities area of Iowa where I live in Davenport, in Des Moines, in the Atlanta area of Georgia, in Greenville SC, Mitt won those areas. And it was evangelical Christians who delivered the votes.

Yes there needs to be some more discussion within Christianity whether or not a Mormon will be admitted to the conversation, but what we've seen is a beginning. The conversation is over for a lot of evangelical Christians.

In other more rural areas of the country the conversation isn't over yet. But I think Americans will choose tolerance eventually.




Thursday, February 14, 2008
posted by Jeff Fuller | 1:51 PM | permalink
AP broke the news a few minutes ago.

Discussions on Fox News are saying that this makes Romney a favorite for VP (helps with unifying the right and talk-radio folks, helps in Michigan and the west, helps with potenially drawing upon Romney's money).

Also speculation that Romney's delagate going to McCain get him close to the magic 1191 that will be when Huckabee drops out . . . so this could be the move that makes Huck get out of the race . . . ah, sweet justice.

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Do you realize that it was just a week ago that Mitt announced that he was stepping aside? What a wild week it has been!!!



I don't know what to think of this. I don't think that it will sway me to vote for McCain. I'm still firmly in the protesting by not voteing camp. I'm even conflicted about the VP talk. Does Mitt need to get tangled up with that slimeball? I guess that it might get me out to vote, because McCain looks like he might be showing up in the obits within four years.



Very, very interesting. It would get me to vote for McCain. It's sad political manipulation, but in the end I think it will be better for Romney's political career, and yea maybe McCain will kick the bucket...? Sad, but it might be the best possible thing for this country...



I'd be shocked if Mitt was the VP pick but I'll take it if it happens.Not sure how I'd fell if Mitt embraces some of McCain's not so conservative positions. At least I'd be interested in the race again. Watching Obama's stimulus proposal,McCain starts to look better.But the thumb in Huck's eye would be halarious to say the least.



Disgusting. I don't like Huck, but really? Why, Mitt, why? I thought you were serious when you pointed out your differences between yourself and the VERY LIBERAL maverick. I give up.



Is it bad to hope for a McCain heart-attack? That would = a Romney presidential bid after all! With Obama and Clinton tearing apart the Democratic party, it would be a win!



I hope Romney does not become, or even is suggested as the McCain VP.
1) If McCain wins, that would saddle Mitt with all the McCain liberal policy decisions in 2012.
2) We all know that McCain is going to loose, possibly a land slide, to Obama. I don’t want Mitt to be any more a part of that than the “good of the party” move he’s making today.

We all know how much Mitt disagrees with McCain’s policies! He’s doing this ONLY to stop Hillary/Obama from a disasterous pull-out from Iraq… period. He does not agree with McCain on more than two or three issues (cut spending, earmarks, and military strength). I hate how all the pundits (I’m watching FIX - oops, I mean FOX) are spinning this as Mitt loosing with conservatives by supporting McCain against the dems. McCain’s the man right now! There is no chance for any other to become the nominee! Mitt has to support the Republican nominee because the dems would be “a disaster” (Mitt’s own words).

I firmly believe that Mitt is doing this solely to get Huck out of the way so McCain can start concentrating on beating Hillary/Obama … though I see that as a long shot … but Mitt’s doing whatever he can to defeat them at this point. Not necessarily to curry favor with McCain or to gain a VP spot.

It’s not so much supporting McCain, as it is doing all he can to stop the dems.

I think we’re going to have 4 years of the first black president. I think it will be a terrible 4 years and that the country will wake up to, Mr. Fix-it, the best candidate to ever run in 2012.



Yes, Darrell, I firmly believe the same----Mitt is doing this to get Huckabee out of the way so McCain can start his national campaign. The day after Mitt suspended his campaign, I can't tell you how sorrowful it was for me, but I do see now that he was acting almost totally selflessly in pulling out. It is obvious that all this is for the good of our nation, and shows the OUTSTANDING character of Mitt Romney, that he could be so genuine, after being treated very poorly by McCain, and endorse him. I am not sure I could have been so 'Big' in the same circumstances. (I wanted someone to smack McCain down a few notches!)

Currently, it would be real big of McCain to apologize for the lies and dirty politics he played against Romney during the Florida primary. I might actually vote for him, but I am not holding my breath---as Ann Coulter said, they are mirror opposites.



why mccain-romney makes the most sense.



Even with Romney's Endorsement of McCain we need to send the message to the GOP and McCain that Conservatives still want Romney. We want him as our VP. If we continue to vote for him in the upcoming primaries we will be able to convey that message effectively. Romney continued to get votes even after his suspension, and I have NO DOUBT he will continue to get votes after the endorsement. This will continue to gain delegates for him, even though ultimately the delegates will most likely vote for McCain at the Convention. At which point, we hope we have a McCain-Romney ticket. HELP US! WE NEED ROMNEY FOR VP!
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posted by jason | 1:42 PM | permalink
Reported on Fox News and CNN.

Beckel Talking about this setting Mitt up for the VP spot.

Fox reporting announcement at 3:30est in Boston.

Mitt as VP:

Pros:
1. Balances ticket very well
2. Shows Unity in GOP
3. Maybe McCain will agree to one term
4. Keeps Huckabee out

Cons:
1. Will the US ever want 3 GOP presidents in a row?
2. Can a loosing VP candidate come back and win nomination later? I can only think of Ford as the only example.
3. Doesn't help McCain in the south...maybe... I have a feeling if you put McCain's and Romney's numbers together in south, you have a huge majority.
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For an example of losing VP's we have John Edwards, of course that is on Dems side.



Dan,

Edwards has never won the nomination. That's my point. It seems to be a political cul-de-sac. It might be a nice end, but it's still the end of the road once you get there.



Edwards had the wrong identity this time to excite the Identity-Politics party. Mitt as VP would at least get me to vote Republican, but its highly debatable if it would be a good move for Mitt. I'm pretty sure the Dems are taking this in November regardless.



I'm totally with you in this Bigmo. I will be very conflicted (almost resentful) if Mitt takes the VP spot. But such is life, I would find a way to deal with it.



Yea thats what I meant just as another example.



Mitt getting the VP spot would raise his profile,stature and validate him as acceptable to the party as a whole.At this point McCain offers no vision to the country and that is what's needed to excite the base.With Mitt on the ticket it makes Mccain look like a simple placeholder but it gives voters something futuresque to look forward to. In this scenerio though,you have to hope McCain is good enough on social issues to win the evangelical south. The evangelicals continued to vote for Huck hoping it would solidify him as the VP picks but Huck's continued presence in the race has alientaed him from the party structure.



Romney is a much roader spectrum candidate than edwards who got off on the wrong foot this year with a poverty pimp based campaign.One thing about Romney being the VP though is you would have a sore loser Huck on your hands and god only knows how that would play out with his base.



WE NEED ROMNEY FOR VP! Even with Romney's Endorsement of McCain we need to send the message to the GOP and McCain that Conservatives still want Romney. We want him as our VP. If we continue to vote for him in the upcoming primaries we will be able to convey that message effectively. Romney continued to get votes even after his suspension, and I have NO DOUBT he will continue to get votes after the endorsement. This will continue to gain delegates for him, even though ultimately the delegates will most likely vote for McCain at the Convention. At which point, we hope we have a McCain-Romney ticket.



McCain won't choose Mitt because he would continually be upstaged by him ... Plus I don't think Mitt needs to be the #2 choice, especially considering how difficult it's going to be for Republicans in November. Mitt needs to keep his distance from the impending political avalanche. It ain't gonna be pretty.




Wednesday, February 13, 2008
posted by Kyle Hampton | 10:15 PM | permalink
From the Hotline:
Given the choice of Huckabee, McCain, Ron Paul and Mitt Romney, 26% of VA GOP voters and 27% of MD GOP voters chose Romney as the most qualified candidate to manage the economy, despite the fact that he suspended his campaign nearly a week ago.

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I promise to not take down this blog until mitt romney becomes the next POTUS.

There are still many out there that are crazy about Romney, and we need outlets. Please, Please, dont take down this blog.



QUESTION? What is Mitt going to do now that he has suspended his campaign? We are all wanting to know what his plans are for the next 4 years. Please respond if you have any first hand knoledge or if you just want to comment. thanks from: millions of Americans in California



Just saw where the Huckster is headed to the Cayman Islands this weekend to give a personal fundraiser speech (those pesky mortgage payments again) You have to wonder if he isn't using his presidentail run to get his speaking fees up. If so it really makes a mockery of the system. Also seeing where people are saying ah what the heck the guys having fun and not hurting anybody. Yes he is,he's hurting the Republican brand as a kook.

Listening to the Tuesday primary post-mortums,I got tired of hearing how he was the conservative's choice. This is baloney. He was the religious right's choice.

As far as McCain goes ,he's a minority candidate.If I had to take a stab at a figure, I'd guess he won the nomintaion with about 35% of the party's vote. I guess it depends on how you factor in independents vote.He has no party mandate but he's acting like he does. All thse GOP people falling in behind him only validates his apostate positions and greatly weakens the conservative wing of the party,what's left of it.

Still it all comes down to votes in order to win and it's very probomatical whether enough of the Republican vote will show up in Nov.

I got a reminder this morning of how he went into Mass. two days before Super Tuesday and campaigned in Romney's back yard. This was a totally classless act and it shows what a chump McCain really is.




posted by Kyle Hampton | 9:56 PM | permalink
Look, she may be a little extreme, but she says what we all want to say in our heart of hearts. Coulter is still hammering McCain and praising Romney:
In fact, McCain and Romney are mirror opposites: As Romney had to tailor his conservative views to the liberal voters of Massachusetts, McCain has had to tailor his liberal views to the conservative voters of Arizona. While Romney's record in a liberal bastion is as bad as it will ever be, McCain's record from a conservative bastion is as good as it will ever be. Which isn't very good.

In the immortal words of -- well, me, actually: Always choose a strong conservative from a blue state over a lukewarm conservative from a red state.

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posted by Anonymous | 3:33 PM | permalink
Even for the most die hard Romney fan who is still ambivalent about McCain in so many ways, this quote is really, really good:

“Hope, my friends, is a powerful thing. I can attest to that better than many, for I have seen men's hopes tested in hard and cruel ways that few will ever experience. And I stood astonished at the resilience of their hope in the darkest of hours because it did not reside in an exaggerated belief in their individual strength, but in the support of their comrades, and their faith in their country.”

"[But] to encourage a country with only rhetoric rather than sound and proven ideas that trust in the strength and courage of free people is not a promise of hope. It is a platitude.”

I heard the audio this morning and it was even better. If someone notices a YouTube of this pop up, send me the link.
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Tuesday, February 12, 2008
posted by Kyle Hampton | 1:33 PM | permalink
There's been a lot of opinions written lately about Huckabee staying in the race. Most of the people that take the time to write something about the topic are pro-Huckabee types. Not that there's anything wrong with that.Personally I'm agnostic about Huckabee's continued presence in the race. However, I thought this piece by George Neumayr over at Human Events deserved some responding to, especially from us Romney Republicans.

Huckabee and Neumayer make the argument that there needs to be competition, as if this were some sort of ongoing marketplace and not an elimination process. Huckabee has been mathematically eliminated from getting the nomination, yet he continues to press forward as if he has not been. Huckabee has countered, notably at CPAC, that he did not major in math (which seems to be stating the obvious), but in miracles. Well, Huck, I cannot deny you a continued faith in miracles, but it seems a poor substitute at this point for an honest self-assessment.

Neumayr also makees the argument that Huckabee's continued presence "stimulates much-needed debate about pervasive liberalism in the party." It seems ironic that Huckabee's presence would stimulate debate about pervasive liberalism in the party. It is true that Huckabee's continued campaign stimulates that discussion, only not in the way that they would like to think. Most conservatives, and especially us Romney Republicans, see Huckabee as a liberal on taxes, government spending, government programs, immigration, and even seems to have those tendencies on foreign policy. Truly Huckabee's campaign does spark debate, but it is about how Huckabee represents liberalism on so many issues.

The truth is that Huckabee's campaign has not about issues. His whole platform has been personality and identity based (I guess you could count the Fair Tax, but that's another discussion). I think the same elements of personality keep Huckabee in the race. It is more about self than about the people.

So, by all means, Huckabee, stay in the race. I do not begrudge you the chance to make your presidential campaign last as long as you like. However, dispense with the false notions that the campaign is about competition or issues. Your continued presence is about self. Just admit it. After all, they say honesty is the best policy.

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I don't like calling names, but it's difficult to view Huckabee as anything other than a charismatic, egotistical dope. I hope that his refusal to pull out of the race lowers him to the status of a right-of-center John Edwards: very, very annoying, but ultimately, irrelevant.

Gosh, there must be something weird in the drinking water of Arkansas!



A true fiscal conservative would stop spending someone else's money on a dead campaign. +1 for Romney.



Amen to that!



I'va came up with this weird theory about John McCain...It's waaaaaaaaaay out there...But anyway....Remember 1996 when Dick Morris had Bill Clinton triangulate and co-opt Republican themes and cast them as his own. One hundred thousand cops comes to mind, not sure about welfare reform..Well my theory is McCain is triangulating the Dems by adopting their positions.Here's how I got to this.


I began thinking maybe the Dems want their race to drag on to the bitter end because they have no general election message or one they want exposed and massaged by the media. Then I got to thinking "hey what do the dems have to run on against Mccain"? The answer is basically nothing....He's stolen all their issues!! They want to leave Iraq,he'll stick it out..He has a border plan but not a harsh one..Global warming?? Covered..Health insurance.I'm sure he has something that isn't big government..Anybody have an opinion on this??



As far as delegate count goes, Huckabee is mathematically done - out! He knows and understands that well. In his mind, influenced mainly by religious urging, he still believes he has a chance. Where does the chance come from? Well, we all know - though he won’t admit it - that it comes from “divine providence/intervention”! That’s why he said that in college he did not major in Math, but in miracles! Also, he said in one occasion that in these media driven times, a candidate can say a “campaign ending” something and gets YouTubed the following day and it’s over for that candidate. This also falls in the “miracle” category for which he is hoping. And still another miracle he definitely hopes for is for McCain to have some health problems - a heart attack, sudden hospitalization, etc., And I’m sure Chuck Norris is giving him (Huckabee) hope in this aspect. Again, Huckabee is still hoping for God to intervene - hence, he still believes that any misfortune on the part of McCain will be an act of God! I’m sure he also credits God for Romney’s campaign suspension. This is the kind of person who usually ends up with dementia - very soon!



The one thing I can't understand is how this character gets so many votes. He has done so many stupid things that should have spelled the end of anyone else's presidential political career. The only thing I can figure is that the media is restraining from criticizing him in the hope that he will continue to make a fool of himself and thereby make fools of the republican party in general, especially if he can continue to get significant votes. This coupled with the fact that there are sizable numbers of evangelicals who continue to support this guy, and will continue to support him no matter what stupid comments he makes, or what selfish motives he betrays. It particularly bugs me when he insinuates that God is supporting his campaign. He is so obviously using his religion as a tool to gain power, and wearing it on his sleeve, so to speak. This cheapens both his religion and himself.



Huck's personality type is an ENFP on the Meyer's Briggs scale...don't know for sure but a strong hunch. These types are known to be very charismatic and alluring, but are also known to have very deep selfish streaks and a desire to have the spotlight shine brightly on them. What a spoiler this Huckabee has been. When you factor in background as a Baptist preacher, this is pretty much the only type of guy who could have taken out Romney...and he did. But Romney will be back, and hopefully by then people will be tired of Huck's selfish act.



I think Huckabee is fairly selfish. But he is not stupid (he may be less intelligent than your average president, but that still leaves him as no dummy).
One of my best guesses is that McCain and Huckabee agreed to be Pres and VP a long time ago. After Romney dropped out there was no need to gang up, but they made a choice.
Neither of them have been very good at raising money. Neither of them attract the folks who contribute large sums (or the HUGE number of small donors). So they made the choice to continue “fighting.” Huckabee wins a few states gets some free press. McCain looses and gets some free press. Tonight McCain won three states and got some free press. Huckabee lost and go some free press.
Until Huckabee addresses McCain in the negative way he addressed Romney, I do not see him as actually trying to win. So what is he doing? The above is my best guess even though it sound far out there.

Thanks, TOm



Hey anonymous, I take issue with ascribing those traits to an ENFP (or any M-B type). Huck is just a....



The reason that he is staying in the race is very simple. He makes his living as a public speaker. Staying in the race increases his value on the speaking tours that he goes on. His campaign may not have a lot of money but I bet that it still pays for his meals and lodging. Politicians from Arkansas sure know how to look good while living on someone elses dime.



The reality is that Mike Huckabee is in third place and is still losing to a man that dropped out of the race 8 states ago. From the most current numbers on CNN, Huckabee trails Mitt Romney by 72 delegates and by 1.4 million voters.


My guess is that Mike Huckabee is trying to reach Mitt Romney’s numbers, so he can say he beat Mitt in the GOP primaries. Huckabee will then be able to use that as promo for his VP spot or his 2012 presidential run or appease his Romney dislike or all of the above.


I think Huckabee has an irrational, emotional dislike of Mitt Romney. It was displayed numerous times throughout the campaign. Most noticeably at the now infamous Huckabee press conference where the non-airing airing attack ad against Mitt was publicized. It was reported that Mike Huckabee was so enraged and belittled by Romney’s Iowa attack ads that it drove him to that action. Or there is the revealing self satisfied smirk/smile Huckabee gives McCain at the ABC New Hampshire debate right after he makes a snarky remark about Mitt changing his positions.



Those are just a couple examples but the Dr. Phil’s of the world will find a treasure trove of behavior displayed by Huckabee to make for a very interesting case study of envy.



The second argument for Huckabee staying in the race is that it’s good for his business as a public speaker & his band which are entities that are all about him. It’s in his character to stay in for those reasons.




Monday, February 11, 2008
posted by Kyle Hampton | 6:55 PM | permalink
It’s all the rage these days to speculate as to who the VP will be. All sorts of people write about what the criteria are for VP. Many of you Romney supporters are going back and forth (believe me, we get the emails) about whether you want Mitt as a VP pick. Some are for it, most are against it. But, I think that most people are ignoring the fact that the VP has very little impact on the president.

Just think about this: when was the last time the VP spearheaded any major initiative or policy while Vice-President? Dick Cheney has been a little bit of an exception with his role in foreign policy, but even still, his role in making policy seems minimal. Even granting the Cheney exception, the role of the VP is minimal after the election is over. Really, the true role of the VP is to get the President elected. Thus, a President should pick a VP based on who will get him the most votes.

So what does this have to do with Romney? Certainly Romney has proven that he can move votes. However, for those hoping (as I have seen on some blogs) that McCain will pick Romney and let Romney run the domestic policy, don’t get your hopes up. Not that it is impossible that McCain would pick Romney, but don’t start to aggrandize what that means by starting to talk about policy influence of the running mate. That role will be negligible.

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....And honestly, putting myself in Mitt's shoes, would I want to work with McCain? A man who has an explosive temper and will not hold back from sending expletives your way when he is displeased that you aren't going his way? I think not.

To fix this nation, Mitt will need to be the Chief Executive calling the shots. From what I've seen, McCain can be pigheaded and as the president, Mitt may not be able to do what is necessary. Good things come to those who wait, and I think waiting for Mitt will be the best thing.



....Well here's the thing, Mitt is not going to be POTUS in 2008, regardless, so he won't be calling any shots anytime soon. So here's the plan; he takes the VP spot, if offered, and rides out the next 4 years (what else is he going to do?) That way, he is better situated to run again in 2012 than if he were to be totaly out of the lime light. Of course, that assumes McCain doesn't go for a second term at age 76! Shoot, there's a good probability that he might have a cerebral aneurysm while throwing one of his famous temper tanturms and Mitt would get the presidency anyway.



You discount two important factors:

1. McCain's age. He might not make it through one term.

2. VP's always have the upper hand when running for President.



If Romney is asked, you better believe he'll do it.

But if he did, I'm not sure that 4 years of anonymity would be good for him, even if he was a heartbeat from the presidency. He might have the aneurysm from enforced idleness VPs have NO power, unless the prez really trusts them.

McCain's big grouse against Mitt is that he doesn't trust him => less than no power.



Ive thought about this quite a bit.. and honestly, I dont think Mitt should do it (although I think he would).

First of all, McCain will lose. Plain and simple. And what chances do you have to be taken seriously when you were a v.p. loser (look at john edwards). I think McCain will lose to Obama in a near landslide victory. (dont say we didnt warn the republicans)



Well.. This is all well and true, but there is also the fact that McCain has stated a number of times that not only does he not really know much about the economy but he is not interested in dealing with the local socal issues and the economy. His focus is the war.
By picking Mitt, he would be able to focus on the war and push the economy onto Mitt. If things don't go well, he can put a lot of the blame on Mitt and then shove him into the background while if it goes really well he can take the credit for the decision.
This would keep Mitt in front of the media.
When 2012 comes along, if things are going really well, then he can actually take it from McCain!



Not going to happen.McCain needs somebody to get the NASCAR dads out to solidify the south. Or he needs an economy guy which Mitt would fit but there would be a personality conflict.McCain is an establishment guy before anything.Steve Forbes is being mentioned. He's already used to doing nothing. I don't care for him because I'm not a flat tax person. That's the last thing an ailing housing market needs. At the end of the day in McCain's case,I'm not sure how much difference it will make given the dislike/trust for the candidate himself.The last straw would be another open borders guy.Newt could go a long way to make me happy but I don't know if he'd do more damage or good to the ticket.



Going back to the beginning of the Romney campaign, many argued from Day 1 that Mitt was really running for the Vice Presidency. With the amount of time and resources that Mitt put into his Presidential bid, that idea went away. But there is nothing wrong with being a loyal Vice President. Mitt can be a surrogate for the Administration during times of need, and he can step back when they don't need him. In policy areas where the Vice President does not agree with the President, the Vice President can always follow the rule: "If you can't say something nice about the President, don't say nothing at all." But absolutely, under no circumstance, should the Vice President contradict the Commander -In-Chief. Maybe the only acception would be if the President was personally involved in serious ethical lapses.

Vice Presidents are the natural choice to be next in line when it comes to a political party picking its next nominee. Just think how different the whole process would have been if Cheney would have run this time. The establishment would have united around him early on and the Cheney vs. McCain battle would have gotten ugly. But Cheney would have had several Aces in the hole due to his position.

Now, on a side note, I always had deep fears of what an American President being Mormon would mean for the Mormon Church. Around the world, any actions by a Mormon President might be seen as actions by the Church itself. This could hurt Mormon missionary work around the world. And at home, if a Mormon President supports or opposes any given issue, it could be seen as the position of the Church by those who are not familiar with the Church's policy of political neutrality. I think that a lot of these concerns would be dissipated if a Mormon was Vice President before one ever were to become Commander-In-Chief. So, for the sake of the Mormon Church, I'd almost prefer that a Mormon would be Vice President first before taking that huge step. Plus imagine how annoyed anti-Mormon bigots would get during a possible 16 years with a Mormon in either the White House or the Vice Presidency. Poking a finger in the eye of those bigots for 16 years would almost be reason enough to prefer it this way.

Also, for those of you who say that the Vice President doesn't do anything, remember that the Vice President is the President of the US Senate. And the President of the Senate breaks all tie votes. We might be getting a lot of those with how divided the country is.



One other thing for Mitt is that the window of opportunity could be closed by 2012 or 2016. I have heard many people talking about a very remarkable, young, and conservative Governor from the State of Louisiana. If, in 2012, Mitt isn't the sitting Vice President or wasn't the running mate for a McCain campaign which barely lost, the window of opportunity may have swung in somebody else's favor. As much as I like Mitt Romney, I really, really like Bobby Jindal. And Rush Limbaugh has recently said that Jindal was the next Reagan. It would be tough to stop the momentum and excitement that a Bobby Jindal candidacy would bring with it. It's kind of like what Hillary is beginning to realize with the excitement surrounding Obama on the left. No matter what she does, it may not be enough. And at some point, she may just have to join the bandwagon. Regardless, if Romney wants a chance at changing Washington, he's going to have to play the game, and if Romney is fortunate enough that McCain chooses Romney as his running mate, Romney had better JUMP at the opportunity.

Then if Romney was just recently the Vice President, in 2012 or 2016, we could see a Romney/Jindal Ticket. How cool would that be!



Zeus, I used to live in Louisiana, and I was there when Bobby Jindal, a young twenty something, was in Governor Foster's (R) administration. He did wonders.

I also was thinking the same thing....a Romney/Jindal, Pres/VP pairing, would be great for our country.



Mitt should stay as far away from the McCain ticket as possible. To do otherwise would spoil his chance in 2012. I just don't see McCain beating Obama in November.



As I see it, there's three reasons to want Romney as the VP.

1) Romney's persuasavive and has worked with liberals before. :)

2) To set up Romney as our next-in-line candidate (I don't think McCain can do two terms).

3) Frankly, McCain pass on during his presidency. Sure his mother is still alive, but his father died one year younger than McCain is now.



The only way I'll vote for McCain is if Mitt is on the ticket. At least if McCain starts to make a mess of things he could, get some input from Mitt. That's if McCain isn't too full of himself to be smart.



I can't believe the "No Mitt" advertisement! Do you guys think Hillary or Obama put that crap up? I consider Romney more conservative than McCain. We already had one Arkansas president and we all know where that got us... We don't need another one (Huckabee). I noted their petition had less than 1500 signatures. Guess what! Their advertisement did was just fund more liberal newspaper which support Hillary and Obama! They might as well contributed to the Democrat campaign.



Mitt will certainly accept the VP nomination if McCain offers it, and he SHOULD.

And as far as we can tell right now, the ticket has a good chance to win.

Obama screwed up bigtime by picking Joe Biden. The supposed foreign-policy experience of Biden is greatly outweighed by his personal flaws, insider status, and the fact that he comes from an electorally useless State.

(Delaware has 3 electoral votes, the least that a State can have. The same as such powerhouses as Wyoming, Alaska, North Dakota, South Dakota, Rhode Island, and Washington DC. And the Dems were going to win Delaware without Biden, as they won it in the past 4 consecutive Presidential elections and it's not trending Republican.)

Among other things, Obama missed a chance to pick a woman (keeping some Hillary supporters in the fold) or a "moderate" who could have stolen a swing state that the GOP won in 2000 and 2004 (such as Virginia).

As for speculation about 2012: assuming McCain passes away or retires, PRESIDENT Romney should seriously consider picking a woman as his Veep. It's long overdue for our party. Congresswoman Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee deserves an early look. (Hopefully by that time she'll be Governor or Senator Blackburn...)

MCCAIN / ROMNEY 2008

ROMNEY / BLACKBURN 2012




posted by jason | 10:20 AM | permalink
According to the Atlanta Journal Constitution (they like Mitt), the wheels are already starting to roll:

Turns out that after the applause died, Romney huddled with “some 50 stalwarts of the political right” to discuss making the former Massachussetts governor “the face of conservatism, as Ronald Reagan became en route to his 1980 election win,” the Washington Times reported this weekend.

Participants at the meeting included Georgia’s Ralph Reed, the former head of the Christian Coalition, and Jay Sekulow of Alpharetta, chief counsel of the American Center for Law and Justice, who served as a kind of liaison to evangelicals for the Romney campaign.

“The movement needs someone of Ronald Reagan’s stature and Romney could fill that role,” the Times quoted Sekulow as saying.

The newspaper reported that American Conservative Union Chairman David A. Keene presided over the meeting, in the same hotel where the Conservative Political Action Conference was held.

Others at the meeting included radio talk show host Laura Ingraham; former Reagan White House official Donald J. Devine; Indiana Republican National Committee member James Bopp Jr.; Freedom Alliance President Tom Kilganon; former Sen. Jim Talent of Missouri; Michigan Republican Party Chairman Saul Anuzis; Human Events editor-in-chief Tom Winter; conservative activist Bay Buchanan; Ann Corkery, a Catholic activist; and Rabbi Nate Segal, a Rush Limbaugh associate. Free Congress Foundation President Paul M. Weyrich listened in via phone.
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Sounds good to us out here in Washington state. I presided over a precinct caucus and even though Mitt suspended his campaign our precinct flooded the caucus with Romney supporters. This was true in many precincts all over the state. Tell Team Romney we're on standby -- ready to help out where and when we can.

Ernie Geigenmiller
Camas, WA



I am a strong Romney supporter and I think he should endorse McCain sooner rather than later as we need to beat whoever is the Democratis nominee. I, also, think Romney should be the VP with McCain to focus on the economy and boost his national presence for 2012.




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Mitt is what we need for this nation. Mitt please come back in 2012. We will need you more than ever.



Under what senerio does Mitt stand the best chance of winning the nomination for 2012?
4 years of:
1-Barak Obama
2-Hillary
3-McCain/Huckabee
4-McCain/Romney
5-McCain/Somebody else
Just wondered what you all are thinking.



I loved it! I can't wait til 2012.



Watching this makes me even more disgruntled with John McCain. I keep asking myself "what the heck happened". The answer is Mike Huckabee played the spoiler all the way through. Hopefully Huck is creating enough bad will with the party by staying in the race that he'll be a complete non factor in 2012.I'm voting in Md. tomorrow if Mitt's still on the ballot,I'll vote for him, if not I'll leave it blank.



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By Anonymous Anonymous, at June 24, 2008 at 5:04 PM  


Mitt, with Obama the President, We will surely need you in 2012. This time, use other people's money and they will be invested in you. You're our next Reagan! Best wishes for 2008, 2009,2010. In 2010 you will be busy!!!



I agree! I saw Mitt a few days ago in Evansville Indiana. He is the man we need!



Mitt- San Clemente, CA wants you to govern the United States. It's YOUR turn in 2012. Lose the tie and be yourself. The Big Guy has plans for you!



MITT 2012!

History repeats itself...

Carter-Regan

Obama-Romney

I worked hard last year, I'll work hard in '12. I believe in Mitt!



Mitt please run. With the mess Obama and the democrats are going to leave this country we will need a leader with integrity to get the country back on track. It will take years to undo their socialist agenda.

Romney/Palin or Huckabee 2012

I will support you all the way.



YES

Romney for president in 2012! Obama's time will be up then, his luster have faded (as it is already, gradually) Romney's young, knows why jobs come and go, he's energetic, dynamic..much like Bill was when engaging in the Middle East peace process - and nearly got a deal.

Has a beautiful family ..
He reminds me of Reagan. Imagine, Reagan Revolution .. then we could all be part of the ROMNEY REVOLUTION

ROMNEY REVOLUTION :p and sing .. Children of the Revolutiooon

For those who know politics, he is the man
For those that don't .. Obama was hip in 2008 :D Romney will be 'it' in 2012

DISCLAIMER I'm a Democrat and I support Romney.

By Anonymous Timber Wolf, at April 20, 2009 at 10:41 AM  



Sunday, February 10, 2008
posted by Anonymous | 4:40 PM | permalink
Mitt Romney referenced the 1976 Republican National Convention when talking at CPAC about his supporters wish that he continue on. He then went on to discuss how 2008 is different than 1976 because we are at war.

Following up on Beth's post below, I wanted to talk about this reference. Romney drew a parallel, and then let the impression it conjures resonate. This allows us to think about what it means and draw our own conclusions.

What is the parallel? In 1976, the Republican convention pitted incumbent Gerald Ford against California Governor Ronald Reagan. In many ways, Ford represented the Washington establishment and more importantly, he represented the continuation of Richard Nixon's presidency to many who wanted change.

In 2008, there will be some similar dynamics. Critics of George Bush 43 have attempted to paint him as Nixonian. The democrats will attempt to pigeonhole McCain as merely a continuation of Bush's policies. Many people do want change.

Ronald Reagan nearly captured the nomination in 1976. But he fell short. President Ford invited Reagan to speak to the convention. When he arose, he zeroed in on the singular most important topic on his mind; the threat of nuclear destruction.

In explaining why he was stepping aside, Romney zeroed in on the biggest threat we face as well; the threat of attack from terrorists.

Romney's reception at CPAC eclipsed John McCain's in many ways, just as Reagan's reception exceeded President Ford's. Like Reagan, Romney's speech left many Republicans wondering whether they had chosen the right person.

Our country has problems. I hope we can overcome them. If there was ever a leader to fix problems in Washington, it is Mitt Romney. Like Romney though, I realize we are facing a major threat to our existence. After much internal struggle, I am throwing my support behind John McCain. I will vote for him.

Many, many readers have emailed us saying they would not vote for McCain. I think that may be shortsighted. I understand the impulse. There is certain pleasure to be derived from denying someone who spited the party so many times. I really want the border problem fixed and I don't think McCain has the desire to get the job done. I have serious concerns about the economy. McCain will not be able to use the bully pulpit as effectively as Romney could have on economic matters. Nevertheless, I prefer McCain beat either of the Democrats.

If for some reason McCain doesn't win, I will be prepared to help Romney win in 2012. I know Romney will be ready to lead, just as Reagan was after the disastrous Carter years.
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Now how would McCain win? There's no way. And do you have good info that Romney is interested in running in 2012?



Yeah,this turned out to be a commander in chief primary and the war in Iraq and the one on terror trumped the economy and immigration.McCain attacking Romney on timetables put enough doubt in some people's minds that he wasn't committed to winning them,even though they were untrue.After Mitt won Michigan he rode economy and fixing Washington as his boilerplates and hardly mentioned the wars. Meanwhile McCain drove the these home.

At first I was one of those people that said I'll sit out or vote for the Dem but now I have an open mind about McCain as far as seeing what he'll do between now and November. The media loves Mccain the way he is and they are going to have a wary eye on anything he does to move to the right.They're going to blame talk radio for trying to push him to the right and blowing it with independent voters.The media wants the GOP to become the party of RINOism,with conservatives being the fringe.

How much difference is there between McCain and Bush? Not that much really.We don't know if Mccain would really close Gitmo when it comes down to where the prisoners would be sent. As far as immigration goes,how long would ittake to declare the borders secure? I don't think it's even possible to do this even with a concerted effort. There's simply too much money involved for the smugglers to give up. For McCain to win conservatives over on this he's going to have to address the magnets. On taxes and spending and the expansion of government, McCain would probably be tougher than Bush.One thing you can say positive about McCain is he's no nanny stater or socialist like the Huckster. The Huckster and his self serving sideshow act needs to get out of the race and spare McCain any further embarassments. But he's not a party loyalist,he's a Huck loyalist.I think you're going to see a lot more surrogate arm twisting in the next few weeks to get him out of the race.



I have no special inside info that Mitt is planning on running in 2012, but there are more than a few of us ready to draft him.



I have no special inside info that Mitt is planning on running in 2012, but there are more than a few of us ready to draft him.



Monica Crowley made a great case for Mitt as McCain's running mate Saturday morning. I now see that as a very smart and also pretty probable move for both M and M. I was not going to vote for McCain, but if he's got Mitt on the ticket I will. Actually his only chance to win is with Mitt making the case forcefully and well - as only Mitt can do. McCain also needs Mitt's money and organizational ability. McCain could say that Mitt would pretty much handle domestic initiatives (Michigan, border, etc) and he'd conentrate on Defence or whatever. It's actually very smart and pragmatic and may convince people scared by Obama's (and democratic) inneptitude/inexperience and a kind of unserious childishness generally. M and M together actually might pull this thing off if people come to their senses 9 months hence. Needless to say, winning or losing, being there making the case will serve Mitt nicely for 2012.



This is a candidate who has done, and will continue to do, everything to get this position for his, and only his, sake. Because he is so greedy and has lied about his various positions during his run, I do not know how we could trust him with anything. He has a proved track (since after 1990) where he would listen to Democratic leaders more often than he would with ANY representative from other side -- be it conservative or Republican. I cannot with a good conscience could vote for him, even with our country at stake. In fact, I feel strongly that our country will be at an increased risk with him as a president, much more than Bush. He's unrestrictable. We may end up with more fightings, way too many of them. I am going to study the candidates of other third parties just in case, and vote for McCain pending who he pick on his ticket and he has shown every effort to earn our trust between now and November.



Quite honestly, a Republican just can not win this year, looking at the numbers. As of Feb. 7, there were 16.9 million voters on the Dem side to the 10.6 million voters on the Rep. side. I think that Mitt got out while the getting was good.

Unless something goes completely crazy (and it sure has happened so far), at this point Obama and McCain will be the nominees. Then think about the Dem super-delegate fiasco that is brewing. Imagine Barack winning the delegate and popular vote. Then Hillary stepping in with her "pals" and throwing down enough super-delegates to win the nom. Chaos will occur and I beleive this will be the last straw for many, many democrats. So both parties will be in flux. No one will be happy with our choices. No matter what happens everyone will be unhappy. There will be Mitt, watching the mud fight on TV from home, clean as a whistle.

Someone put forth an interesting strategy about why things are shaping up as they are now. No party wants to be responsible for what no doubt will be a tough four years, with an economy in trouble, two loose end wars, and who knows what lurking up ahead. It is almost like everyone is saying, "No, you go first." "No you go first." No one wants to be blamed for what could happen these next four years.

So no, I don't want Mitt anywhere near this trainwreck election and hope he enjoys some time with his wife and family. We will be ready to pledge our full support if he decides to try again in 2012.



I noticed, just as Kim did that there are many more dems voting in the primaries than republicans, but on www.race42008.com, they just posted a list of primary and general election vote numbers (Feb. 11th), and it appears that for some reason, that has pretty much always been the case.




posted by Beth Barnat | 1:27 AM | permalink
Take Away

Romney did the classic "take away" at the CPAC Convention. I've been in sales for a long time and the "take away" is a very effective way to get people to want the product you are offering.

I don't know if Romney did this purposefully, but it is effective. He "took himself away" from the Conservatives -- just when they were beginning to endorse him and recognize that he was 'their man.'

"The first step in getting people to take immediate action is for them to perceive your product or service as being in demand or in limited supply. People want what is "hot" right now.

Psychologists have proven, people find more value in things they have a difficult time obtaining. If you're told you can't have something, you want it even more."

http://www.fromtheheartsalestraining.com/persuasion-technique.html

Remember Kenny Rogers' song -- "You've gotta know when to hold 'em, and know when to fold 'em.

Mitt knew.


Aikido

Another brilliant move that Romney made in his CPAC speech is this:

John McCain has been using his real and perceived strength in the War on Terror (surge, etc.) to put Mitt down.

As for the War on Terror another thing that Mitt did at CPAC was sort of an aikido move:

"Aikido focuses not on punching or kicking opponents, but rather on using their own energy to gain control of them or to throw them away from you. It is not a static art, but places great emphasis on motion and the dynamics of movement." http://www.aikidofaq.com/

Mitt Romney, in one inspiring speech, took McCain's major strength and used McCain's energy on the subject to gain control of McCain and throw him away from himself.

When Mitt said that he was stepping aside for the greater good - the War on Terror -- he trumped McCain.

Whether any of this was intentional or not, I don't know.

But I would never underestimate Mitt Romney's understanding of human nature and his ability to negotiate to achieve success.

This guy -- our Mitt Romney - is a genius. But it is not his time right now.

His time is coming.

Stay tuned!
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6 Comments:


Getting ready for 2012. Mitt get's 16% of WA State caucus delegates on Saturday. Go Mitt!



I couldn't agree more. This is not Mitt's time. But this entire experience was necessary. Mitt 2.0 will be awesome. I look forward to a hopeful conservative future!



So what's up with no one in the MSM reporting that "Other" won/is winning in the Washington caucuses? Beating McCain by 4 points with 87% reporting. (www.politico.com)
Just shows that Romney still has a lot of support.



Its impossible to know what the future holds but i think you start with the premise romney has two cycles to make another run, 2012 and 2016. The big ? is what does he do between those runs and what the political landscape brings, its sorta like a big political chess game. For starters, he should welcome the thought of being mccain's veep, but that is up to mccain. If he isn't the veep and mccain wins than mitt is boxed in a little. He could try to land a cabinet spot, anything from sec of tres to commerce but than he ties himself to the mccain adm and not being veep, wouldn't be a frontrunner for the next election when it ends. If he doesn't get in the cabinet, than maybe chair of the RNC is a good spot to land to keep himself in the game, probably should try to get that spot this summer if mccain does not pick him as veep and than hold it to at least the mid terms of 2010 to keep his name out in the public.

Yet, I think the best spot for him would be to run for senator from utah in 2010 if bennett retires but than again huntsman or leavitt might also want to run. If he were to become senator for utah, he comes into the senate as a national player, can further establish his con creds, and launch another run from that office. On the other hand if mccain loses in the general, mitt should still keep a eye on that utah senate seat but the path for running in 2012 is pretty open.



If you add up Mitt's percentage and the 'Uncommitted', the total is 29%. I have a feeling many of those uncommitted were Mitt supporters. It very well could be that Mitt really won even though his campaign had been suspended.

CNN reported that, "Huckabee argued, however, he might be able to challenge McCain's nomination at the national convention if Romney's delegates vote for him." (see http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/08/mccain.conservatives/index.html ) I certainly hope not! Personally, knowing how bigotted Huckabee's campaign has been toward Mitt, it would not sit well with this Mitt-head!



It's really amazing to see all the publicity Huck's getting out of his win in Kansas yesterday.Where was all this coverage when Mitt won Maine,Wyoming and Nevada.Huck is such a slick salesman he actually has the media convinced he could pull a miracle off and win this thing. The other thing I find amazing is even with all the cult rage surrounding Obama he's barely ahead of Hillary and she could easily pull this off yet.Why? Because John McCain is the opponent and she matches up better on security than Obama.Lastly, people keep saying the economy is thier #1 concern yet they are voting for people who don't even have a plan for it.The one guy that did is no longer in the race.




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