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Thursday, July 19, 2007
posted by Kyle Hampton | 11:20 AM | permalink
Here's what some people are saying about Thompson's abortion lobbying:

NRO's Yuval Levin:
On the abortion question, Fred Thompson has so far managed to gain the trust of pro-lifers without actually saying anything about either principle or policy—what specifically he believes, or what kind of laws or rules he might support or oppose...Today’s NY Times story makes it pretty clear the facts are true—which should make us worry about the Thompson team’s (though, to be sure, never the Senator’s himself) original adamant denial. It also probably means Thompson’s “my client, not me” line won’t be enough. This was lobbying work, not legal work, which means those 22 conversations with the group involved advice about how to fight the Bush (41) administration’s rule.

AmSpec's David Hogberg:
Given the withering scrutiny Romney has endured for his flip-flopping, you'd think the Thompson camp would be extra careful on these things. Even successful campaigns have a few mishaps. But this will (and should) raise questions as to whether Thompson is ready for prime time.

Outside the Beltway's James Joyner:
The story itself is rather innocuous; that his first instinct was to lie about it, though, says something about the man’s character. My guess is that this won’t seriously damage his candidacy. After all, most people think “lying politician” is redundant. Still, to the extent that Thompson’s appeal is that he’s not a professional politician, this hurts.

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I posted below under the title, "Fred Thompson: Abortion Lobbyist". I came in as "anonymous" but I blog as "Conservative Gladiator".

I am conservative (socially, economically, and militarily) and I am Republican - in that order. In the primaries things are clearing up for me as to how things are working in the GOP.

It's obvious to me that we need a True Convervative to push a truly conservative agenda.

I am so utterly disgusted at the hypocrisy of the GOP media elite and their differences in treatment between Guiliani and Thompson which is very tepid compared to their treatment of Mitt Romney.

There is no question in my mind that many of these GOP insiders in the media have made as much an issue of "flip flopping" on Romney's part as the MSM has, and yet when it comes to Rudy and Fred Thompson there's hardly a blip from them except only to ask the question, "why were they not ready for this?" That doesn't matter as much as, "how do you handle this?" Obviously Fred Thompson lied about his ties to abortion lobbying which shows he doesn't know how to handle it. Yet here they are sticking by him.

I'm eager to see how much damage control comes. Not from the Thompson Presidential "exploratory" Committee, which is expected, but the damage control that comes from the GOP media elite, which you wouldn't expect something like that but for me, I've have witnessed their weaknesses many times already. From them we've already seen the "light" reporting and scrutiny of Rudy and his liberal social stances on abortion and gay rights. Many have stated that his views are "acceptable" in light of the fact that we need someone tough on terror.

The GOP media elite to me are the ones to watch.

You want another example of this groups' weakness? Go back to the 2006 GOP election debacle, there's no question in my mind that you couldn't tell between a Democrat and a Republican in terms of actions. The problem was that Republican pols came off as the hypocrites because as it came to pass, we weren't doing the things we'd always preached about. But it wasn't the GOP as a whole that fueled the fire. I percieved that the GOP media insiders had as much to do with 2006 as the GOP pols did because they tried to cover who they perceived as strong and when they saw problems they ran and sided with the MSM rather than rally for conservative principles as still the better option even if the person was flawed. They didn't know how to re-position a defense for conservative principles. They instead ran to the MSM and discuss the individual rather than the principle. People in the end voted against the person which I don't blame them for but while there was much to be embarrassed about there still were those worth fighting for like George Allen, Rick Santorum, and others. In the end they left the true conservatives to fend for themselves and they lost.

Again, to think that Thompson or Rudy as a conservative contender is stronger than Romney belittle's my intelligence. With Romney the GOP media elites have all of the ammo in his conservative agenda that they can ever want to use against the Dems yet they still try and back a socially liberal Republican, and one who already is starting to lie about his past dealings all in the name of "electability" in the general election.

Yes, Thompson lied, let's not mess around here like we're very serious about Romney being a Flip Flopper. To the GOP media elites, let's either be even handed or equally protective of all of the GOP candidates or rally behind the ones that are truly conservative with a truly conservative agenda strong in all aspects of military, economy, and social values.

I'm still waiting to see who this group is going to rally behind. My guess is that they're too smart for us and they're going to stick with Fred until he announces and when the going gets tough for Fred I think that they'll start scrambling and looking at Rudy again but, to not look like they're purposely avoiding Romney they may start writing articles about Newt needing to come back regardless of his baggage.

I don't think that the GOP media elites have the stomach or the conservative muscle and stamina to push back against the MSM with Romney as the conservative standard bearer even though he has the best chance against Hillary and Obama to win with a stronger conservative agenda for America.

It's time to start putting this group to the fire regarding strong conservative principles and being for that instead of being for who they think has a chance in the general election.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 19, 2007 at 4:07 PM  

Who are the GOP Media elites?

By Anonymous GeorgiaMom, at July 20, 2007 at 1:20 AM  

Robert Novak
NRO - All of them.
Fred Barnes
Bill Kristol
Charles Krauthammer
Cal Thomas
Rich Lowry
Tucker Carlson
and every other GOP media member that's good enough to have their own columns and be on a round-table but not good enough to have their own shows.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 20, 2007 at 12:11 PM  

My favorite of the whole bunch that tells it like it is but sometimes shoots herself in the foot is Ann Coulter.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 20, 2007 at 12:13 PM  

There are several GOP media elites. Talk radio celebs are there--the bigger the name the more "elite." Also, groups like "Focus on the Family" and the "Family Research Council."

Conservative Gladiator is right in one regard--these people are giving Fred and Rudy a pass. Rush responded to the Fred abortion-lobbyist story by discrediting it as NYT propoganda. Hannity has proven to be a big apologist for Fred as well (though he would probably do the same for any GOP politician that he liked, Mitt included).

Focus on the Family & the Family Research Council have also shown themselves as being silently in Fred's camp, criticizing Mitt for non-stories (Marriott) and writing articles to defend Fred (after the initial LA Times article).

Why are they doing this? I think it's obvious. It isn't about not wanting a true conservative. They deeply want a true conservative that shares their Christian values. However, these people are so uncomfortable w/the Mormon faith that they delude themselves into accepting men w/very shaky character over the clearly superior candidate because, silently, they are religious bigots.

However, I honestly believe that before January 2008 they will overcome their silent anti-Mormon stance and shift toward Mitt in the interest of our nation. Hopefully this happens sooner rather than later.

You offer a very interesting and quite rational analysis. I have been thinking that some of these leaders, self-appointed mostly, do not have a lot of faith in US.
I guess since they have been preaching to US that WE are BETTER than Mormons, they suspect we may not vote for one.
It is so disgusting I can barely stand to think about it anymore.
This must be what it was like in the South in the 1940s and before.

By Anonymous GeorgiaMom, at July 20, 2007 at 10:12 PM  

Jumping in here just fyi. I live very close to a Christian family, and a Mormon family. Here is what I have noticed: The Christian Family spends a lot of time telling me I'm going to hell. They have never invited me over, and from the front porch I can't see any pictures of Jesus. They go to church for an hour each Sunday, then come home and wash the car, order pizza, and gossip with another neighbor about the Mormons. The Mormon family has four paintings of Christ in their three downstairs rooms. I've been to dinner and lunch with them, and they always pray "In the name of Jesus Christ" -even the three-year-old prays. They go to church for three hours on Sunday, and several times during the week. They do "humanitarian projects" all the time. I've never heard them gossip about anybody. The kids volunteer to help out with anything they see needs doing. I asked the Christian wife why she yells not only at her kids, but mine, and she said, "Christians aren't perfect, we're just forgiven." She says that a lot. Another favorite one she says is, "Do as I say, not as I do." The Mormons, well, they are always doing things together, and doing things for others, which, at least from what I learned in Vacation Bible School, was what a Christian was supposed to do. I don't know about Mitt, but if he's Mormon and not ashamed to say it outloud after all the redicule he gets on sites like these, I'd say he's a better person than me. Personally, I think voting for or against someone based on their personal beliefs is just silly. I'm looking at their record.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at July 27, 2007 at 12:00 AM  

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