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Friday, April 4, 2008
posted by Justin Hart | 9:08 AM | permalink
Matt Lewis points to a Huckabee motive. David Brody has a headache over this thing. But I see another motif at play here.

Am I blowing smoke about the hidden anti-Mormon agenda of many of the signatories who signed onto the God Not Government post?

Well, let's review. Granted, these excerpts don't come anywhere close to equating Mormonism to Homosexuality, but even I was a bit shocked by some of these quotes.

My main point is this: if you want your egregious arguments to hold any water at all... don't include anti-Mormons on your list of adherents.
  • Matt Barber, Policy Director, Concerned Women for America quoted here as helping a reformed homosexual who converted to Mormonism find "scripturally-sound" evangelical churches to attend.
  • Ted Baehr, Author of Culture Wise Family, on the September 11th film: "What [the character of] Brigham Young does in the movie is talk about…that you have to have blood atonement... This is going to be an issue [for Romney]. ”
  • Janet Folger, President Faith2Action, See here: "Romney, as a Mormon, doesn't believe Jesus was God's only Son (Lucifer, they claim, was his 'brother'). Nor does he believe in the virgin birth. Instead, Mormons believe God the Father had physical sex with Mary. The word blasphemy comes to mind. A bit more than a mere 'denominational difference,' don't you think?"
  • Gary Glenn, President AFA, Michigan, played the "religion card" in his GOTV efforts for Huckabee
  • James Hartline, Founder and Publisher, California Christian News: "San Diego Republican Party Hits New Low - Invites Cult Member As Christmas Party Guest Of Honor" - "Mormon politics is more about promoting the economic interests of the Mormon Church and its wealthy members rather than any pseudo Biblical beliefs."
  • Linda Harvey, President Mission America: "He used his Republican and Mormon identity to push through radical policies on gay marriage, abortion and pro-homosexual school programs that Ted Kennedy always dreamed about." - link
  • Gregg Jackson: Writes here in an article entitled: "Is this the end of Evangelicalism in America?": "A cornerstone of the Mormon Church, Grudem writes, is the classic heresy of Saint Paul's day – angel worship. In his book, Grudem insists that an orthodox Christian must practice the theology he reads. So why would he step forward to become part of the Mitt Romney propaganda blitz trying to mislead evangelicals into doing what would shock most evangelicals in American history: elect a Mormon for president? "
  • Peter LaBarbera: "The sponsor of a homosexual-inclusive “hate crimes” bill in Utah is hailing the support of two Mormon-owned media organs, signaling the neutrality of the powerful and socially conservative church on an issue that is seen by many family advocates as the first step in the wider 'gay' agenda."
And I'm only half way through the list. In my mind, many of these people are hiding behind silly political pot-shots because they have theological angst against the Mormon church.

Am I wrong here?

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You are spot on with this one!! What can be done about this obvious religious intolerance toward Mitt Romney because he is a Mormon?

By Anonymous Anonymous, at April 4, 2008 at 11:07 AM  

No, Justin, you are not wrong. Not at all. Honestly, if these people were pushing a "NO LEIBERMAN FOR VEEP" agenda and the list was full of anti-semites, do you honestly think for one second that the MSM and other wouldn't fly off the handle calling them out on obvious bias? But if it's Mormon bashing, it's totally fine- those Mormons are crazy, everyone knows this, so why not bash them a bit? Honestly, these people disgust me. Scribes, Pharisees, hypocrites!!!!!


You may be wrong to say that this is a complete smokescreen for bigotry -- but at the very least you have produced substantial evidence of an anti-Mormon slant in those you have listed, and it becomes very obvious why they have not given him the benefit of the doubt.

You are dead-on, my friend, what a bunch of psycho haters. It is a free country, but it's depressingly low-grade.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at April 4, 2008 at 1:23 PM  

Doug from San Francisco - From what I saw in the primaries, you are hitting the nail on the head. We have more religious bigots than I would have supposed. I guess every church starts out this way but you would think that we have matured beyond what we've seen recently.

I really don't care if Mr. Romney believe in the Man in the Moon so long as his conservative views are in line with mine.

A message to evangelicals - Start practicing tolerance and forgiveness or you will be sitting with the hypocrits some day.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at April 4, 2008 at 2:37 PM  

Why is it that anytime someone points out the political expediency of Mitt's position swings, that person is an anti-Mormon bigot? Here in Detroit, we have a corrupt mayor, who claims that "racism" is behind the calls for him to step done (he was just indicted for perjury). My point is that bigotry isn't really the case in either example; it is a smokescreen to distract people from the truth. Or do you deny what this group wrote about Mitt and abortion / gay marriage is true?

By Anonymous Anonymous, at April 4, 2008 at 2:59 PM  

Sign our Romney for VP petition please.

This is all so obvious and laughable by the Huckabee (now Huckabeen) campaign. Their candidate's "Huck-a-boom" didn't happened (thank you Dear God!), so now Huckabeen and his followers are desperately trying to manipulate him to the VP spot. I don't believe McCain would ever be so foolish as to choose the ONLY republican wanna-be VP that is listed as CORRUPT on Judicial Watch’s 2007 list (along with Hillary & Obama). Why would McCain choose Huckabeen with his ethics and bad-judgment problems? McCain's not foolish--the Huckabeen fanatics are wasting their time.

Mitt Romney is an upstanding man of morals and family values. And with his economic expertise, he is the best choice for VP. Our nation needs Mitt Romney!

By Anonymous Anonymous, at April 4, 2008 at 7:12 PM  

Anonymous, you will find the answer to your question in Kyle's "More illogical claims" post below, if you really care to know. I don't believe that everyone who doesn't support Romney is anti-Mormon, but I believe the people behind this ad sure are.

So, what do I believe, the people who protest that Romney was a social liberal, or do I believe what I am seeing of the track records of these people with my own eyes?

For me, the answer is really very simple: This is about hanging a "Mormons need not apply" sign on the Presidency and Vice Presidency.

it is Romney who is dying by his own sword! Mitt was the bigot Governor that tried desperately (in order to appeal to the national conservative base) to strip civil rights away from couples that wanted nothing more than to protect their love and assets. These are the same couple he supported a few years earlier. It is very interesting to see that he is now being prosecuted for who he is. Justice can be a thing of beauty at times.

I love the senorship on this site, if they dont like what you say, it doesnt get posted.

The exit polls speak louder than a few articles and ads. Mitt Romney was the unifying choice of the majority of the Republican Party. The ONLY states to show preference toward Huckabee due to religious prejudice were South Carolina, Arkansas, and Alabama. If you recall, Romney was robbed of his rightful win in West Virginia through one of McCain’s famous “backroom deals" If you only count the Republican votes, or just the conservative votes, or subtract the "third party votes from these open corrupt primaries across the country, Mitt Romney would be our candidate today. The Southern religious prejudice is a paper tiger: Given the choice between a disciple of Rev. Wright, a disciple of Darwin, and a Conservative Mormon Christian, you can be sure SC, AR, and AL, will all support Romney. They will get over their misgivings in a hurry. Look at the exit polls up to and on Super Tuesday. Also, if you are a real Conservative, in the Charlton Heston Style

Assuming your quotes are accurate, no question you've got some of those folks dead to rights making comments obviously critical of the Church.


1. You falsely attributed to Matt Barber a comment made in fact by the LDS convert, as reported -- if you read carefully -- at the very link you yourself provided.

2. Where's any quote by Gary Glenn saying anything negative about the Church? All your link shows is that Glenn urged Huckabee supporters not to call or distribute literature at churches (LDS included) which polls showed were supporting Gov. Romney. That's kind of a no-brainer if you're trying to turn out Huck vote, but it doesn't make somebody anti-Mormon. Unless you've got more evidence than that.

3. Similarly, what's "anti-Mormon" about what Linda Harvey said? It's obviously anti-Romney, but are you seriously suggesting that not supporting Gov. Romney is = being anti-Mormon? I know about half a dozen members of the Church who didn't vote for Gov. Romney. One I know even voted for Huckabee!

4. Likewise with Peter LaBarbara's simply factual citation about the Deseret News and KSL-TV endorsing Utah's "hate crime" bill a few years back, which stirred up a big controversy in the valley. Church HQ was even quoted as slamming the head of Utah Eagle Forum who herself is a a prominent member of the Church. It wasn't pretty, and the bill failed. But what's "anti-Mormon" about simply stating a reported and truthful fact, as LaBarbara did? Are media outlets that at the time reported the exact same thing you attribute to LaBarbara also "anti-Mormon" because they simply reported the news?

5. And likewise, maybe, with the quote you attribute to Ted Baehr. I haven't seen the film he's talking about, so I don't know if President Brigham Young said something about blood atonement or not. But if what Baehr said is true, then what's "anti-Mormon" about him accurately stating that's the case and expressing his opinion that a Hollywood movie about the Church might have political implications for Gov. Romney's campaign. Is is not obvious that discussion of Gov. Romney's faith has indeed had political implications for his campaign?

No doubt whatsoever that some of those signers are clearly anti-Mormon. But my point is, in your zeal to indict all with the signers with the same broad brush, you should have taken greater care not to be guilty of the same reaching of which you accuse them.

The obvious stretches to which you yourself resorted (in my opinion) call into question whether you accurately quote the others for whom you don't provide live links.

But if your quotes on the others are in fact accurate, it certainly proves that SOME of the signers are hostile not just to Gov. Romney but to the Church itself.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at April 28, 2008 at 11:12 PM  

Well, considering I'm only sixteen and I'm Mormon, what you believe about us isn't true. Unless you have talked to a Mormon about their beliefs you know nothing about what we believe. We do believe in Jesus Christ it's in our name for pete's sake. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. We don't have his name in there for kicks.
We believe in God the Eternal Father and in His Son Jesus Christ and in the Holy Ghost. I'm not "brain washed" or whatever you may think, I just know what I believe.
Preach and believe what you would like, but don't assume unless you KNOW.

If you're curious go here for the only correct information about us out there:

Thank you for your opinions that only make me grow stronger in what I believe.

By Anonymous Chelsea, at July 3, 2008 at 11:10 AM  

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